Not exactly like them, no, but there's plenty out there that wouldn't mind turning kids into mice. Some of them make deals with demons in order to practice that kind of stuff, and others just have a predisposition towards it.
They all have reasons for getting into it... Pretty much all witches I've ran into are generally bad news, though. So Dahl got that right.
[... The less said about Ruby, the better.
The betrayal of the woman he'd loved still aches, even all these years later.]
[He hesitates, unsure if he should... Well, it's for the sake of the kid. So he understands, completely, that Sam's being genuine here. That his words should be considered with complete earnestness.]
I did once. It cost me a lot. And that's on me for making the mistake, but it doesn't change how she used me for her own purposes. I wouldn't want that to happen to you.
[............ jesus christ, what are you guys doing in the future-
No, he knows. He's done stupid shit, too. Demon manipulation is like the sky being blue.]
Pretty much, yeah. They're human souls twisted up and made corrupt. They don't really have a lot of 'good' traits. They'd skin a friend for a ritual if that ritual'd give them chump change for a soda machine.
I don't think so, no. Not 'good'. Once that kind of thing is inside you, I don't know You just It's something you can't scrub away. There's an evil in it that isn't as simple as being born fresh. Corruption, I guess you could say.
[Hard to say if he's talking about the demons anymore, honestly.
But hey — Sam's never been one for healthy views on himself.]
Yeah. Unfortunately. They can't actually exist on the planet in a normal body without forcefully taking the body of a human. That alone? It means we have to stop them. It's an evil act, just for them to walk the earth.
The demon was there for me. She was just in the wrong place. The wrong time. Someone just born, they can't be blamed for that kind of thing. You understand?
[though he supposes that's with good reason. as far as he's aware, sam doesn't know what he is. doesn't know that jack was capable of influencing the world around him before he was even born]
I made him stay with me and my mom. If he'd been with Sam and Dean the whole time instead, he would've been safe.
No offense, Jack, but the names Sam and Dean don't inspire safety.
You were just a baby, Jack. Weren't you? Even if you had those powers, you didn't even realize how they worked. You don't make anyone stay with you now, do you?
[He sighs softly, switching to a live voice call. Not recorded. Can't let it be, not when Lucifer's always a threat. He checks every lock and blockade in his head, and says softly:]
I know who your father is. I know what it's like, to be born with a dark shadow over you. To have powers you don't completely understand. Or... or being from a bad place and wanting to do good. I have to admit, hearing about you... scared the hell out of me, because it reminded me of myself in a way — and I don't particularly like myself. Not even a little. Not anymore.
But Jack... you're just you. Sam sees that. And... I guess this Sam sees it, too.
So give yourself a fresh slate, and understand that where you're from doesn't define you moving forward. Okay? [He breathes in.] And in order to do that, you need to protect yourself. Stay away from what's in me. Stay close to your real family.
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They all have reasons for getting into it... Pretty much all witches I've ran into are generally bad news, though. So Dahl got that right.
[... The less said about Ruby, the better.
The betrayal of the woman he'd loved still aches, even all these years later.]
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[He hesitates, unsure if he should... Well, it's for the sake of the kid. So he understands, completely, that Sam's being genuine here. That his words should be considered with complete earnestness.]
I did once.
It cost me a lot.
And that's on me for making the mistake, but it doesn't change how she used me for her own purposes. I wouldn't want that to happen to you.
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No.
No, it was recent.
It's complicated. I thought she was different.
She felt different. But I was wrong.
Demons are demons, Jack. Be careful around them.
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Are they all like that?
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No, he knows. He's done stupid shit, too. Demon manipulation is like the sky being blue.]
Pretty much, yeah.
They're human souls twisted up and made corrupt.
They don't really have a lot of 'good' traits.
They'd skin a friend for a ritual if that ritual'd give them chump change for a soda machine.
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Can they ever be good?
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Not 'good'.
Once that kind of thing is inside you, I don't know
You just
It's something you can't scrub away.
There's an evil in it that isn't as simple as being born fresh.
Corruption, I guess you could say.
[Hard to say if he's talking about the demons anymore, honestly.
But hey — Sam's never been one for healthy views on himself.]
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They can't actually exist on the planet in a normal body without forcefully taking the body of a human.
That alone? It means we have to stop them.
It's an evil act, just for them to walk the earth.
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It's not about what they are, Jack. It's about what they do. How they use what they have. What they are.
If this is about your fear of being evil, or turning bad just because of who made you... you're more than capable of being a good person.
You still have a chance to be better than where you came from.
Where only a part of you came from.
You had a mom, right?
Did she have a lot of goodness in her?
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I killed her. And my father. They both died because of me.
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But it doesn't mean I actually did anything.
I was just a little baby.
I'm betting what happened wasn't something in your control, either.
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Cas can't be dead, right? Sam speaks about him openly. Did he come back...?
But —
Wait.]
Ah... no.
I mean, not for me.
I don't know about
about your universe.
My mom died when I was six months old.
Killed by a demon in my room.
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You were a baby though. And it was a demon. So that isn't your fault.
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She was just in the wrong place. The wrong time.
Someone just born, they can't be blamed for that kind of thing.
You understand?
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I understand that.
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That includes you, too.
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I made him stay with us. So it's my fault he was killed.
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How did he die?
Protecting you guys?
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[though he supposes that's with good reason. as far as he's aware, sam doesn't know what he is. doesn't know that jack was capable of influencing the world around him before he was even born]
I made him stay with me and my mom. If he'd been with Sam and Dean the whole time instead, he would've been safe.
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You were just a baby, Jack. Weren't you?
Even if you had those powers, you didn't even realize how they worked.
You don't make anyone stay with you now, do you?
[He sighs softly, switching to a live voice call. Not recorded. Can't let it be, not when Lucifer's always a threat. He checks every lock and blockade in his head, and says softly:]
I know who your father is. I know what it's like, to be born with a dark shadow over you. To have powers you don't completely understand. Or... or being from a bad place and wanting to do good. I have to admit, hearing about you... scared the hell out of me, because it reminded me of myself in a way — and I don't particularly like myself. Not even a little. Not anymore.
But Jack... you're just you. Sam sees that. And... I guess this Sam sees it, too.
So give yourself a fresh slate, and understand that where you're from doesn't define you moving forward. Okay? [He breathes in.] And in order to do that, you need to protect yourself. Stay away from what's in me. Stay close to your real family.
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